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. . . Jesus left. And unless you ignore his promise to be
with them until the end of the age, you would have to
agree that there is a sense in which he didn’t leave.
Well, it seems awfully obvious to me now that the
sense in which he left was in regards to his human
nature; which includes a body. He physically left them.
Acts 1 clearly demonstrates that. And there is nothing
illogical about that answer. If that isn’t the sense, then
what is? . . . In what sense did he leave and in what
sense did he stay. . . ?

My response:
The answer to Talbotism’s question is found in the
answer to these seven questions:

1. “…until Christ is formed in you.” (Gal. 4:19)

The church was looking forward to when Christ would be formed
in it. But Christ was already in the church. “In what sense” then
was He later “formed” in the church?

2. “in whom the whole building, being fitted together is growing
into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are being built
together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit” (Eph. 2:21,22).

The church was looking forward to when it would become God’s
“holy temple” / “dwelling.” But the church was already God’s
temple/dwelling. “In what sense” then did the church later
become God’s temple/dwelling.

3. “So that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith….”
(Eph. 3:17)

Paul’s desire was that God would strengthen believers with might
by Christ’s Spirit in the inner man “so that Christ would dwell in
[their] hearts through faith.” But Christ was already dwelling
in believers’ hearts through faith. “In what sense” then did Christ
later dwell in believers’ hearts through faith?

4. “to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the
glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you,
the hope of glory” (Col. 1:27).

The church’s glorious hope (her expectation) was “Christ in you.”
But Christ was already in the church. “In what sense” then did
Christ later dwell in the church?

5. “And so we have the prophetic word made more sure, to
which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a
dark place, until the day dawns and the Morning Star arises
in your hearts.” (II Peter 1:19)

Believers were looking forward to “the day” when “the Morning
Star” would arise in their hearts. But the Morning Star (Jesus)
was already dwelling in their hearts. “In what sense” then did
Jesus later arise in believers’ hearts?

6. “Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice
and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will dine with him,
and he with Me” (Rev. 3:20; This promise was written to believers.).

Jesus told believers that if any one of them opened the door, He
would “come in to him, and will dine with him.” But Jesus was
already dwelling in believers and dining with them. “In what
sense” then did Jesus later dwell in believers and dine with them?

7. “…If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father
will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode
with him.” (Jn. 14:23)

Only spirit-indwelt believers love Jesus. Yet Jesus said that a
time would come when the Father and the Son would make their
abode in Spirit-indwelt believers. Yet the Son was already
dwelling in Spirit-indwelt believers. “In what sense” then did
Jesus and the Father later make Their abode in Spirit-indwelt

Dave :)

Pahokee pastor Wade Armstrong dies at 83

Mar 11, 2003

PAHOKEE (FBW)-D. Wade Armstrong, pastor of First Baptist Church in Pahokee, died March 2 after suffering a massive stroke Feb. 27. He was 83 and served in ministry 65 years.

Director of missions for the Big Lake Baptist Association, Kernal “Hawk” Grammar told Florida Baptist Witness, Armstrong was “respected as a denominational worker, as a missionary, as a teacher and as a pastor.”

In 2002, Armstrong and his wife, Shirley, returned from West Virginia to Shirley Armstrong’s hometown to serve FBC, Pahokee in an effort to encourage the 20-member congregation.

During his tenure at First Baptist Church in Ceredo, West Virginia, his church grew from 35 to about 400 and became the first in the state convention to baptize 100 in 11 months.

Armstrong was a graduate of Ouachita Baptist University, Arkadelphia, Ark., and earned a Th.M. and a Ph.D. from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky.

From 1971-1979, Armstrong served as the director of missions for Palm Lake Baptist Association. He also pastored in Arkansas, Oklahoma, West Virginia before serving as the state director of evangelism in California. After his retirement in 1988 and before returning to Florida, he worked for the International Missions Board in 17 countries as a short-term International Service Corps missionary.

“God will surely bless Wade for his many years of dedicated ministry,” Grammar said.

Armstrong is survived by his wife; his sons, Daniel W. Armstrong Jr., Ernest Armstrong, James E. Armstrong, and Chris Shirley; and his daughters, Miriam Armstrong and Leigh Stites; and eight grandchildren.

Mostly all of us has at one time grown up or around a dispensational mindset. We think of it as the one and only true eschatological stance until we hear of other views which is what happen to someone like myself. When I heard of postmillennialism I knew it was right by how it explained everything but that was still holding to a futuristic mindset. It was when I came to Fulfllled Eschatology that everything fell right into place being thankful to covenantal understanding I see how God restored the relationship once lost in Adam that God purposely set out to demonstrate his love for us.

When we see that it was only Abraham whom God made the promise to, “I will curse those who curse you and bless those who bless you” we see how through Israel, as a people, God Covenantally worked out His plan towards restoring mankind.

Please read Dr Gary DeMar on his “passing of Heaven and Earth” and other great things he wrote and after that read Don K. Preston or better yet just pick up your Bible and read it from an Audience Relevance Standpoint.

How the Kingdom Comes
The church becomes countercultural by sinking its roots ever deeper into God’s heavenly gifts.
Michael S. Horton | posted 1/01/2006 12:00AM

The year 2006 marks the 50th anniversary of Christianity Today. To help us reflect on the role of evangelicalism in the next 50 years, we have undertaken The Christian Vision Project. The project, directed by Andy Crouch, invites leading thinkers to reflect on the shape of Christian faithfulness in the 21st century. The three-year project focuses on culture in year one (underwritten by the Pew Charitable Trusts), mission in year two, and the gospel in year three. For year one, we’ve asked our writers to answer this question: “How can followers of Christ be a counterculture for the common good?” We’ve borrowed that piquant phrase from the Rev. Tim Keller of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in Manhattan, whose own response will appear later this year. Read the rest of this entry »

“I believe the Scriptures teaches that Israel could have obtained her much-sought-after messianic kingdom by recognizing Jesus as the Messiah. We all know the sad reality—the Jews rejected Jesus. As a result, the kingdom is no longer near but postponed”. Tommy Ice in “The Great Tribulation” page 115

As we have grown up and attended church, each week, we have been letting the things we have been taught determine how our outcome on life, in this world, should be viewed. The basics which we all have been taught is that we need to come to Christ for salvation so that we will not be one of the people who gets left behind when God some days decides to pull the plug on planet earth with a consuming fire as we have mostly been taught from a wrongful interpretation of, Luke 17:34-36, Matthew 24 and 2nd Peter 3.

If we were to read the verses that have been presented, will we get the same message that the churches has been teaching us or will we get a whole different message?

Let us see what Luke 17:34-36 shares: Read the rest of this entry »

Loraine Boettner ©1957
Part 3 – Premillennialism – Chapter 5


One of the distinguishing marks of Premillennialism is that its adherents all believe in the appearing of a personal Antichrist shortly before the coming of Christ. This character is thought to be a wicked secular or ecclesiastical ruler who is referred to by Read the rest of this entry »